#77 – President of FFWPU America | Naokimi Ushiroda

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One of the most important roles of a parent is not just to raise respectful and obedient children, but also responsible individuals. This goes for the Divine principle that centers on the relationship between the True Parent and a Heavenly parent and child. Having this kind of connection can help people, particularly young adults and married couples who make sexual decisions, gain their sexual integrity and learn to practice Godly parenting.

In this episode, Naokimi Ushiroda, President of the Family Federation for World Peace, will acquaint us with Heavenly Parent Holy Community, Sexuality and Religion, the term “absolute sexuality”. Here he will share how he managed to open up to his children about one of the critical issues that a parent encounters which is sex, and how he knew and learned about it when he was young. He will also discuss with us the future of the Family Federation.

To further help us through this parenting journey, he will also offer advice on how communication can be used as a tool and foundation of a relationship based on his experience of being married at an early age. Join us to learn more.

  • Being guided by your conscience
  • Controlling yourself
  • Good sex isn’t a commitment
  • Outlook on sexuality and religion
  • Concept of Absolute Sexuality
  • The perspective of true freedom
  • The future of Family Federation
  • The reality of the sexualized culture
  • Process of reclaiming your sexual identity

Episode Transcript:

Andrew Love  

Welcome back, everybody. I’m here with my buddy, my old neighbor. But now I can’t be so informal with him. We can just walk around in our flip flops as neighbors because he is the president of the Family Federation for world peace and maybe you can explain about the Heavenly Parent holy community and how that fits into if you’re the president of that, too, but his name is Naokimi Ushiroda. I don’t know if you have a middle name, but maybe we’ll get into that. Yeah, no middle name. You’re like, you’re almost like Madonna, except the Japanese version. My wife is like that, too. Isn’t it? Is it Asian thing do Japanese people have middle names?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Generally not. It’s usually other cultures that adopt middle names or they originally become their middle name. And they create a new name when they come to America. 

Andrew Love  

So I see what happens. And there are a lot of Japanese people in Mexico and Brazil, maybe I don’t know about Mexico, but like down there, they have four names. They have two middle names. So they took up the slack when Japanese people like there are all these middle names floating around the atmosphere. So you’re now Kimmy Ushiroda. And you are the president of just the Family Fed? Or is that like an umbrella for a subsidiary? Like? Are you the president of ACLC? Or does ACLC report to you? Are you the president? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, a lot of things. Well, as the President of the Family Federation, there are a lot of additional automatic board positions you have to take in other entities that are related and things like that. But as far as I know, this is the only kind of title that I carry as president for the Family Federation.

Andrew Love  

So as soon as they put the president’s lanyard on you, you inherit in your Google Calendar just a ton of board meetings…

Naokimi Ushiroda  

That is one of the things that happens. Yes. Like, I didn’t know I was part of the UPS board. Okay, I guess it’s automatic. It’s part of the job.

Andrew Love  

So basically, all day every day, you’re at a zoom meeting. And just for reference you are wearing pants? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

I am. Yes, I am wearing pants. 

Andrew Love  

Fantastic. So he’s a real professional. He’s the real deal. And okay. And so you are, you have a lot of responsibility. But you and I used to share an office, you know, I’ve spent some time together as neighbors. I think I only remember going to your house one time. We had a tiny place. So you didn’t come over to our house. I think we invited you and then you actually, can you come to our house?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

And then we did come once, we did come once. Yeah, I remember. Got it.

Andrew Love  

Yeah, we were living on top of these really old people.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

We are living on top of old people.

Andrew Love  

Yeah. They were adorable. Anyway, back then we got into a lot of stuff. And I think we spent enough time with each other that we’re eternally connected to some degree, but we’re tethered and that the cable that connects us expands and retracts every so often. But I’m glad to have you here and on High Noon. Welcome. El Presidente.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Thanks for having me, Andrew. Appreciate it.

Andrew Love  

Yeah. And you know, we’ve talked about sex in the past a year a year kind of like Milhan Stevens where, you know, it’s like if you don’t bring it up, but when the topic is brought up, you get like talking about it. You know, some people like they go inward and they get shy they don’t want to talk about you, but like a spark lights up in you. There’s some you know. You just, like materialize and join a conversation when people talk about sex. So I did want to get into that. But first, I wanted to get into your background. You’re older than me. I’m sniffing 40. Like this year? 2021. I’m turning 40. But you’ve already been there and done that. Yes.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yeah. I’m 42 in two days. Like sum. Double perfect.

Andrew Love  

So we caught you. Probably last, last interview before you’re 42 before you’ve passed your prime. And you’re blessed. You’ve blessed the marriage?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yeah, just a couple of days ago, or three days ago, we celebrated our 21st blessing anniversary. Wow. Yeah. So we’ve been together longer than we’ve been single at this point.

Andrew Love  

Oh my god. And I caught you. That’s a weird crazy timing for this interview. It’s right after your anniversary and right before your birthday. And you guys have two kids.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, two kids. One boy is 16 and a girl’s turning 13 this month. 

Andrew Love  

Get out of here. Your son is 16 years old?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Exchange junior in college. I mean in high school, getting ready for college.

Andrew Love  

That’s insane. He’s just a little, he’s a little guy, the last time I saw him.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Carrying around NEEMO, right? 

Andrew Love  

And so well, this brings up so you got a 16-year-old son, this is we’re dealing with teens and people in their 20s. Mostly, we now have groups of moms talking about mommy issues, Dad talking about those issues. We’ve opened up the spectrum, but our core demographic is, you know, teenage and young adults, whatever that means up until maybe 25, whatever. And so have you opened this conversation with your son? Have you guys talked at all about sex?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Not really, I think I more like indirectly through sermons or going to workshops for the youth and that kind of thing. But I think also growing up, we didn’t really get the talk. So it’s not something that we inherently learned, growing up, how to do. So we haven’t really had like, the birds and the bees talk. And I know that they have that education at school. But you know, we haven’t really talked about it so much.

Andrew Love  

Got it. And you Did you get anything when you were a kid at all, or it was just like, you see this thing over here. It’s gonna kill you if you look at it.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yeah, I think most of that spiritual sex ed was in workshops in church kind of workshops in the summertime or things like that, but not really so much at home. 

Andrew Love  

I heard you’re talking about like Camp Sunrise kind of thing.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yeah. Camp Sunrise.

Andrew Love  

I heard that was a lot of, I don’t know how to put this negative reinforcement or scare tactic.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yeah, I think that was the general approach was basically if you you’ve “fall or have, you know, sexual relations, you’re going straight to hell, or even if you look at a girl the wrong way, you’re you got the yellow flag, and you know, there’s different different levels.” But yeah, it was pretty fear driven, I think.

Andrew Love  

And so how was that, there was like, like growing up in that environment. You go to this workshop, and the only thing you ever hear publicly spoken about sex is terror-inducing. What do you, how do you fill in the blanks? Like, how did you learn about sex? like, whoa? Or did you even bother you just like, just close that door and you locked it until you got blessed? Or like, what would happen?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Um, what did I do? I guess in general, I was somewhat sheltered. I wouldn’t say completely. I mean, we’re talking, just living in America. So it’s, back in the day, it was more like magazines and things like that. There was no internet. 

Andrew Love  

Sure, sure. 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

I’m 40. I’m talking about a time without the internet.

Andrew Love  

Are you talking about pterodactyl? The invention of the wheel? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

But, yes, generally, I would say I was kind of more raised in an environment where it was focused on academics and you know, church life and things like that. I didn’t really have someone to talk with about it so much growing up, but I’ve always found that I had a pretty strong conscience whenever something was going in the wrong way. I would actually like to start a condition or something. I don’t remember why I put these things up. Yeah.

Andrew Love  

Would you kind of handle it by yourself? Like you would of course correct or something?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

I don’t remember. Yes. I don’t remember having anyone like, really back in the day, like help. You know, kind of course correct me, like I, I’d had to do it on my own. I think. Yeah, that’s been, that’s how it was.

Andrew Love  

And can I ask like, were you curious? Growing up or you just felt your conscience was saying just wait until later figured out later? Because I mean, even like, you know, we hear in a lot of religious homes when a movie comes in and there’s a kissing scene like who was it. Somebody the other day said their dad would take his head and shove his head down. So like, like in an emergency when a plane is crashing, like that kind of thing that would just shove his head down to his knees and wouldn’t let him see it. And then, you know, that obviously was confusing for him. So like, what would happen in that situation at home if you saw the movie?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Oh, my dad dealt with that situation by throwing out the TV?

Andrew Love  

Did he actually like you checking the TV?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, one time I just remember. Like, it wasn’t because of a bad scene, but I think we’re watching TV too much. And we’re not listening to him. So he literally threw out the TV. So we didn’t have a TV at home.

Andrew Love  

Oh, wow. So no internet, no TV, you are basically Amish growing up.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, I did go to my friend’s house to play video games. That was the one thing I got really into is get my homework done and play video games.

Andrew Love  

So you had a pretty sheltered experience? Did you have any bad friends that were like, hey, check this out. Because we do know a ton of kids that the first time being exposed to porn was when they got to a church camp or on a bus on the way to a church event or something. So were there any bad influences in your life?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, I remember third grade was probably, yes, was probably when, 

Andrew Love  

Was it third?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

It was third or sixth grade. I remember one. One kid came around with the same thing like, hey, check this out kind of thing. That was like, okay, I haven’t seen that before. You know?

Andrew Love  

That’s left at that.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Um, well, I mean, I didn’t really have much other access at that time. Again, there wasn’t much other than a magazine. Yeah. And plus, we were broke. I had no money. We didn’t have any allowance. Like, if you want to shelter your kids, just give them no money. No. 

Andrew Love  

No access, no TV and no money. You can’t go.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes.

Andrew Love  

What seems to work with you. I mean, I haven’t heard so many testimonies like this. And so you were sheltered. And you were also not the type of personality to take that as an opportunity to rebel against your parents and like, because some people, the more that they’re sheltered, the more that they are allergic to that type of censoring. And the more that they want to seek after Well, what are you hiding here? So you were simultaneously sheltered and guided by your conscience? And somehow you’re just okay. You didn’t have any. You never wondered about the opposite sex?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, I mean, I’m a guy. Of course, there’s, you know, curiosity and things like that. But I’m just trying to remember. 

Andrew Love  

Obviously nothing that was traumatic and ingrained in you. 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes. Or maybe it was so traumatic that it’s very scary.

Andrew Love  

I see. Well, that’s pretty amazing. And then, you were able to hold out until you were blessed. Like, is that it? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, I mean I got blessed relatively young, I would say. I was 20, turning 21 when I was blessed. So I mean, not that getting blessed help suggest these issues anyway. 

Andrew Love  

But yes, that is what I was just gonna say, but then you’re in a very common situation that we’ve talked with many people about, which is, you basically come in and cold you like, you get blessed. And then you’re, though your whole experience about the opposite sex up until that point is restraint, restraint, restraint, restrain, control yourself. And then it’s like, you’re given the keys to a Ferrari like, okay, go, go, go. Good luck here, right? with no instructions.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes. No instructions, but it wasn’t, you know, go good luck, because my Ferrari didn’t give me the keys for a while.

Andrew Love  

I see such a slow start. Yeah. And I know your wife is not here. And maybe she doesn’t want you to get so open. But was it, basically, what you’re saying is it took some time to find a rhythm in terms of your own? Like, what finding out discovering what real sex is? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, I mean, after we got a blessing it took nine months of just kind of communicating on a weekly basis. And, you know, visiting, 

Andrew Love  

So you lived in opposite states?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

At that time, we were in the same state. So yeah, I was able to. I was still in my third, second or third, the second year, and the third year of STF at that time. And she was in her second-year college in New York, so we were able to visit and see each other things like that. But yes, it was a relatively slow start. She was, yes, I don’t think she liked me from the beginning. So to warm her up a little bit.

Andrew Love  

What did you do to woo your wife? Was there any? Do you have to figure out what she liked? like flowers or something?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Ah, maybe a daily phone call? I mean, weekly phone calls? I think going out to the movies. That was something and eating good food. I mean, the basics, I guess. But I think it took a while to kind of gain her trust that this is someone who, who’s going to stick around? I guess.

Andrew Love  

Got it. that was so you were initially blessed in a ceremony. But it took a while for her to really accept you as her, I like to feel like your husband or wife kind of thing.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, someone that you know, is going to care about her. I think that’s what it was, like, she needed to know that it wasn’t just the ceremony, but that, then I did care about her. So I think that those were the things that help, you know, make her open up?

Andrew Love  

Or do you think it was good for you? Because you know, a lot of people I know myself included, it’s like when you’re when you go to the blessing and you didn’t necessarily actively pursue somebody, it’s kind of like you take them for granted because men love the hunt. We love pursuing and if we don’t have to kind of do something to us, you know. So it sounds like you’re in a way she’s making sure you really wanted her. Right? And so what do you think was ultimately good for you as well? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, I mean, I think I am quite a hunter type. So, I always like a challenge, you know. And she never fails. 

Andrew Love  

You’re the president of the Unification, you know?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes. So, I think it was good in the sense that, you know, it gave us time to get to know each other, before we got intimate with each other. And I think these days, there is a whole recommended matching process and so much, you know, waiting period or preparation period, and I think all that is really good. Back in the day, it was like you’re matched. You’re blessed Three days later, and you know, good luck. Kind of like, yes.

Andrew Love  

So yeah.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

So I’m glad. I’m glad that you know she resisted, you know, just jumping in the deep end.

Andrew Love  

So you guys are like, super young. And she’s in college. You’re on STF. So you’re like showered and just ridiculous. Showers, you know, occasionally, yeah. But then you’re all of a sudden you find yourself blessed. And but like, how long would you say it took before you really felt like, I have a wife. This is my wife. And like, she really felt like, you know, you guys are in this, you know, because I’m sure even when you’re going on dates, it’s more like getting to know you. It’s almost like really preliminary but not husband and wife. Right? So how long did it take?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, I think. I mean, it depends, like, I think once we had sex, that was kind of a consummation kind of definitely don’t do this with someone that’s not your spouse. So that was one benchmark. But I think another major benchmark was, you know, moving in together and having, you know, living together, because even if, you know, she was still in school, I was on STF. Then I went to school to finish up. So we didn’t actually live together until 2004. This is four years later. So I think that was a major benchmark and between them, I think one significant thing was we did have a wedding. And I think that was really special, especially for her but also for me. She had really wanted to do it. I kind of like we already got blessed. Why do we need to spend money, right? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

We ended up making a profit, so it was all good. But, yes she really insisted. And we had a really beautiful experience where we had so many family and friends come and celebrate and share testimonies and performances and it just really made it like beyond just this individual commitment that we made to heaven. It was our whole family, really acknowledging and supporting this union. So that was really beautiful. 

Andrew Love  

That is cool. No, I hear you. We still, we got married and my wife and I got married, like in town hall the same week as the blessing just for legal reasons, but we never had a wedding. Well, we’ll get there.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, we had to do that. We had to do that before the wedding. So that was also another thing. Yes, we did the town hall thing. And then we had the wedding.

Andrew Love  

Yes, I just find it really cool how countercultural that is, to be married to somebody for four years before you move in with them. You know, like people, usually they meet and then they sleep together. And then, and then they kind of end up spending a lot of time each other’s house and like when you know, it’s serious, not as when you’ve already had sex. It’s like when, when you move your toothbrush into their house or your dog into the house, that’s a commitment. It’s like, wait for a second, that’s good sex isn’t a commitment. So imagine that you guys are married, you’ve already married. And then four years later, you’re really committed to living together. It’s like, it’s incredible. I love that. I really love it. Because it’s so countercultural. And the norm, that pervasive norm is so backwards and doesn’t work clearly, by every measurement. It’s like, it’s broken, and everybody knows it’s broken. But everybody’s like, I can’t think of anything better. Well, that’s better. But it doesn’t like, if you were to tell if even if somebody were to tell you, you’re gonna get blessed. And then four years later, you’re gonna live together with your wife, I think you would have struggled quite a bit if you knew it, like ahead of time. Right? But it ended up being the best possible course for you.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, it worked out. And I think, you know, part of it was we did start off as a distant relationship because she was in school in New York, I was in Pennsylvania. So we had to, like visit during, you know, different breaks that we had. And that was a really special time. I mean, we both decided, you know, to join our respective Taekwondo teams, and we would literally compete in the same tournament, but on opposite teams.

Andrew Love  

Do you have to kick your wife’s butt? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Well, they do gender, you know, they have, yes but we would really compete.

Andrew Love  

Did you really impress her or not?

Andrew Love  

Of course, they did. I mean, you should see all my trophies.

Andrew Love  

Was it really attractive to see your wife kicking some other woman’s butt?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, I mean, she, it was just fun, because, you know, in college, people have girlfriend, boyfriends, and all that kind of stuff. So that definitely made it a little easier, kind of, you know, having “a girlfriend”.

Andrew Love  

Does that she was, do you tell other people, to your friends?

Andrew Love  

I don’t remember if I told my friends, she was my wife, but I think I know my roommate knew because on the first week I moved in, he’s like, he comes up to me. It’s like, so you’re married? Like, he googled me, and he saw these blessing photos. And my God. Yes. So yes. I couldn’t hide it much. But I think for those I wasn’t so close with. I think it was too much to understand being married and you’re still a sophomore in college. 

Andrew Love  

Yes, now, these days. It’s just like, oh, you’re religious. You’ve got to be religious like this. Nobody gets married until they’re like 40 now. And so okay, that’s awesome. That’s a really good background, a lot of stuff I didn’t even know. And so now, I mean, you know, throughout this time, you’ve, you went to business school, you went to a fancy, you know, business school in Pennsylvania.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

It was so fancy cleaning the floors of the dining rooms. That was my part time job.

Andrew Love  

Was it at Penn State? Yes, Penn State this was called.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

UPENN makes a difference.

Andrew Love  

Penn State is the prison?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Penn State is the state school. UPENN is an Ivy League school. 

Andrew Love  

Yes, so you’re Ivy leaguer. But somehow you always felt kind of called to give back and you’ve been working in Karp. You’ve been working when we shared an office, you had no role. You’re just floating around, and you had no idea how gone your job was to be in esoteric freefall. And now you’ve ended up as President, and I just wanted to get into theology and sexuality, which is awesome. It’s an awesome time because, honestly speaking before we would, we’d be like, this nagging voice to anybody at headquarters like yeah, Yeah, shut up. We don’t we don’t hear about your sex. You guys are these weird obsessed people. But now we have Dr. Yang who’s openly like people like High Noon paved the way so that Dr. Yang can like you because everybody’s kind of like primed. They weren’t shocked. They didn’t fall off their chairs when he started speaking the way he did, I think because they’re like, they’ve been bludgeoned by High Noon. So it’s right, exposed. But now this is like a topic of, you know, noteworthy attention like it’s worth our attention obviously, it’s so we’re at such a point in history where it’s like to ignore it, you would have to be insane right? So, I’d like to get into sexuality and religion and talk about the good and the bad, because in your, you as the president, like, you’re exposed to the good and the bad of our own faith and in faith in general, and like, big organizations have faith. And I’m sure you’ve had a lot of time to think about a lot of stuff. But as it pertains to sex, like what do you think our movement has to offer? That’s like a fresh outlook on sexuality, something that we can help people with? Where do you see us adding value to parents words, or what we’ve done with two parents words, like you talked about, the matching system we have that took a while right? To get that seven months really was like, I know, some of the people that really worked hard to bring that to the surface, I took decades, right? of mistakes and trial and error. So what type of value do you think that our movement really can offer to this world in terms of sexuality?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

I think, well, there are some things that come to mind. But the first thing is just that the concept of absolute sexuality is kind of a term that was coined by Father Moon, where, you know, your whole existence is for the sake of your partner. And so, you know, sexuality is seen in our community, or in our faith perspective as the “Holy of Holies.” Again, that’s not how we were taught or learned it growing up. But the intention, or the original perspective of sexuality is that it is the Holy of Holies. And whenever we heard father talk about sex, he was very bold and open about it, you know, saying this is what God wanted to see from the very beginning, is, you know, he was right there in that moment, wanting to see that first penetration, you know, that kind of, you know, kind of heavenly porn. But the key is that this whole concept of for the sake of others, of your partner versus sexuality is generally seen as dirty because it’s actually from the beginning, even theologically, it was very self-centered. That’s how we started with sex. So even like, yes, so sexuality, what’s meant to be the most precious and holy and intimate, and personal, became very, very, yes, very cheap. And also, you know, easily accessible and just for pleasure, no emotion. And that kind of thing. So it took away the the value of sex in one sense, we’re re-elevating the sexual experience to the highest level that it can be.

Andrew Love  

I see. Yes. That’s a great explanation. And so, I mean, we’re, we’re faced with this a lot, where, honestly, we might be, we’ve spoken all around the world at this point. And some, some cultures and some countries, it’s not even countries because we can go to different states in different cultures within the state and the community. Some people are like, wow, we’ve been waiting to hear this and other people. Like, you can’t say that. And when we hear that, you can’t say that. It’s like, all we’re doing is like that, quote, says, Reverend Moon, and we didn’t, we’re just repeating and they’re like, Yeah, but you can’t say that. Oh, because what you mentioned is, you know, Father Moon was very open about this. But then to go back to the earlier part of this conversation, the education you got was very shame driven and fear based and like what do you think happened there where you have this word that’s pretty clear, right? But then you have a lot of miscommunication on the ground or you know, like it wasn’t his words weren’t often repeated, as stated, you know there’s a lot of intrigue.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yeah, and I think is because, you know, depending on the level of the receptivity of the people he was speaking with that determine how much could be re-conveyed or re-communicate it, because there’s the, you know, generational decade, what is that eons of culture of Japanese culture, or, you know, Korean culture or whatever culture that people, you know, regardless of their faith in the movement and faith in shoe parents. They have their own cultural upbringing. So even if he says certain words, it’s not the same as really being able to understand and own and even share those same words. And even these words, if you haven’t really contemplated and digested them, it’s hard for you to even repeat these words. Sure, you know, the things that he’s shared unless you really had to wrestle with it first. Sure. Yes.

Andrew Love  

Yes, no, I totally agree. And so how do you see this playing out? Like we’re in this culture? worldwide porn, like porn I was, I don’t know if you know. But like, while we were in Mongolia, and I gave a talk there at a camp. There’s not that many members left, to be honest. But the ones that were there came, and I was like, yes, we’re in the countryside of Mongolia. These people probably don’t struggle with porn, I found out there are so many so many issues, all to do sex, sex, fallen sex broken sex touches every corner of this earth. Sure. And so here we are. And we have, you know, the sexual market has been saturated with selfishness and wrongness and human trafficking, all this stuff. You have our movement, which has, you know, a very unique perspective, how do you feel like we can influence or impact culture? Or do we need to? Or do we just create our own culture like, and as we move in, to the era of China book, and as this emerges from us, like, how do you feel like, you know, from from your, you’re in that position, where you, you’re looking down on all different facets of our movement? How do you feel like we can influence the sexual side of culture in a heavenly way?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, what I see is, it’s, it’s about, I think the best way to approach it is getting really real honest. And also sharing it from the perspective of true freedom. Because America is really big on freedom and honesty, and integrity, if we use that angle to show, you know, it’s kind of like shining a light on it, right? So you’re watching porn, and you can’t stop? How free are you? versus, you know, you’re able to control that you’re not dependent on porn, and you’re able to focus on working on yourself and your ability to love and care for somebody, you know, you should just plain me share the contrast of those who lighten them and then be open and say, which one would you like to choose? And I think it’s gotten so bad, that people get that this is not the kind of life they want to live. It’s like, short lived pleasure. But like, you’re a slave, you don’t have your free will. You can’t even have confidence in yourself because of this, right? So compare that to providing a solution where people can be free of that, gain their original confidence and be able to work on themselves to love somebody enough to make a commitment, a committed relationship last. Absolutely. Right. So if you feel we do have the way that we present it as really offering true freedom. Hmm, that I think of itself.

Andrew Love  

Yes, absolutely. So I mean, I was having this conversation yesterday with somebody that was like in your when you’re when you’re younger, and there’s magazines like they were not real. They were people who identified as sex addicts, but those people had like real issues of like, they were creeps, they were, you know, doing stuff in back alleys, whatever, but magazines, didn’t hook your senses as much as high definition stuff. And because we were talking about virtual reality and like, holy crap, if we’re so engaged, not just with porn, but just like so obsessed with our phones, imagine virtual reality. But what I really realized is that, it’s more visually stimulating to the mind into the body, but it also deprives the spirit more and more and the spirit gets so malnourished, that people are identifying so much more clearly and acutely that I am dying, you know. And so if we go to this realm of virtual reality, and porn are the main, you know, industry investing in this technology, that yes, it’s going to stimulate us in ways that we can’t even fathom as a human race, but at the same time, it’s going to suffocate our souls, to such a degree that it’s almost forcing people to seek us and our help. And that’s what I’m wondering, like, in terms of the blessing, because I know we have a lot of big goals. Yes, I’ve seen some numbers of very lofty big, lot of zeros kind of like,

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Thirty thousands

Andrew Love  

So, in so doing, like, try to imagine, you know, 30,000 people go into the blessing, what percentage of them are going to have dysfunctional perspectives and relationships with sexuality? Like, how do you feel like, that plays into the blessing because there’s, you know, one talk that I used to give a lot is the blessing as a ceremony, the blessing as a way of life and how it’s both. It’s both and, and so in terms of like living a blessed life, how do you feel like, are moving with your parents words with, you know can help all these aclc pastors that are getting blessed to have heavenly sexuality?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, that’s actually where I see the future of the Family Federation going. Instead of a church, it’s going to be more of a Family Service Center, where we have different products and services that support healthy, happy families. And one of our key products is going to be, you know, the blessing, but more specifically than the blessing, it’s going to be the 43-day package.

Andrew Love  

What this extra three days, what’s going on?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

This is where, you know, everyone is going to come to the Family Federation for the education support to complete this 43-Day Challenge, where 40 days they have, they practice sexual fasting, and redirect their energies on their internal relationship with God, themselves, their sense of integrity, their values, they, you know, engage in, it’s almost like, what’s you know, those retreats where you have to detox, then you have to get like, this is like a spiritual detox retreat, you know, kind of concept, where for 40 days, you’re cutting away from all the unhealthy spiritual, spiritual foods, right? And you’re infusing yourself with healthy spiritual foods. And at the end of it, you’re going to go through a three day ceremony that redefines how you embrace or relate with sexuality,where it’s now centered on a heavenly perspective, and you won’t see sex the same way again, and you won’t see your partner the same way again, that’s the package we’re going to sell. And then for singles, it’s gonna be very similar, except instead of, you know, this will have the 40 day sexual integrity challenge, and you know, a lot of good spiritual food, but at the end of it, instead of doing a three day services, they don’t have a partner yet, it’s a commitment to preparing for the blessing. And I think that’s where, you know, they’re able to really transform their lives and their priorities in their life. And they’re gonna need a lot of support, even after those 40 days. But the idea is that they plug into that they make their new commitment, maybe we need a ring or something, but you know, something to show their commitment. And they’re on track to really prepare to commit to loving one person.

Andrew Love  

What is our church’s stance on tattoos? Can they get a tattoo?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

True love waits for tattoos, right? 

Andrew Love  

Hey, yes, that’s permanent. Just so you know, just for your reference, it is very encouraging that, you know, like I said, we started with one thing, our focus is porn, and it’s for young men. That’s where we started. And now it’s expanded to mothers really working on being amazing wives and moms and to be fulfilled and to help their family facilitate. God is helping them in their tribal messiahship working on this, but now it’s also we were very reluctant to work with younger people, but now we have this group of young guys who are 13, 12 we’re working together with their dads and they’re preparing for the blessing at such a young age and they’re gaining sexual integrity to say To a degree that I didn’t honestly think was possible for a 12 or 13 year old, that doesn’t mean avoiding the bad stuff, it means being so honest to their parents, with themselves of who they want to be and what they want. That it’s we’re in an era where this stuff is very much possible because, to be honest, I see Il Shim programs is kind of like a lottery ticket for a lot of people because they’re agreeing to stuff that they don’t even many cases really know what they’re up against, when they’re 13, what High School is going to look like, like the amount of temptations that they’re going to be faces, like, it’s really hard for them to sign on the dotted line with authority, you know, without support without a culture. But it is happening more that parents and children are both working together, as that preparation for the blessing is an ongoing, never ending thing that starts the second you’re born up until you’re blessed. And then after you are blessed, it still continues that you’re preparing for a better blessing, a radiant blessing, right?

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Yes, and I think the the service like Il Shim could be evolved to include this kind of support. And I think any parent, you know, who knows the reality of the sexualized culture is going to want that kind of support for their kids. So I feel like we’re entering in an age where we will become more and more relevant, because people will come to realize that they need this, they need something. And I think we needed to, we still need to develop this. But I feel like because of the the, the content and education received from two parents, and also because Dr. Young is so much into this absolute sex con concept. And so confident about the transformative effect of it. I feel like we are in the Primetime to be able to develop this stuff. Awesome.

Andrew Love  

That’s amazing. It’s very encouraging. It’s been hot on our minds for a while, because it’s kind of like when you’re on a ship, you’re on the Titanic, and it’s sinking. And then he’s like, hey, it’s sinking and people like No, it’s not. And like he had his nuts. Like you can say it’s not. But that doesn’t mean that you’re not thinking. That’s why we’ve been going around. It’s infuriating. But now people are really waking up because I think a lot of it too, is that there’s light on the other side of this darkness too. And people can experience that. And we have had enough people go through the process of reclaiming their sexual identity in the name of God that it’s worth the fight now before it’s like it’s just an uphill battle with possibly no end. Like I don’t want to walk up Mount Everest, why would I want to do that? So anyway, it’s a hopeful time. I want to be aware, I am aware of the fact that you have one minute left. Is there anything that you’d like to say? 

Naokimi Ushiroda  

Just recently, I’ve been hearing through Dr. Yang, his kind of message about, you know, the source of a fall, it was not a chapter two issue. But it was a chapter one issue. And this is something that I’ve heard before, but I feel he’s been up as it’s resonating more and more. The more we really connect to the heart of God, the less we want to kind of deviate. And if we understand sexuality as not just a physical but an emotional thing, if we are able to tap into it, it’s almost like we tap our emotion into our consciousness. If we can do that, then it actually naturally protects against other deviant behavior. And that’s something more positive and forward looking, then just don’t do chapter two, or don’t do the bad thing. It really strengthens the original way that we’re meant to be. And it’s based on the heart. It’s not just based on rules. It’s really connecting for what God wants for me, you know, that how much God loves me. And God wants the best for me. Yeah, naturally saying, I want to go this way. Because, you know, I feel your love, kind of like that. So that’s, I feel about the future of education around sexuality.

Andrew Love  

Awesome. Well, thank you. Yes, it’s very hopeful. It sounds like we’re very much in line with all that. And I want to thank you for your time. You have to go by the way, everybody, I’m staring at a clock and he said very clearly. He’s a man of meetings, perpetual meetings, his life is one long meeting and so off to the next one. But I just want to say thank you so much for your time and for sharing so openly about so many things. And if you guys have any questions, all you have to do is pray and now can we get them as a present? He gets all questions and concerns sent directly to him from the spirit world. So just look up and pray and you can reach him. Okay? Or I’m sure you can find his email somehow if he asked enough people, but he’s already got enough emails. Make sure it’s an important question.

Naokimi Ushiroda  

All right. Well, thanks for having me, Andrew. It’s been a pleasure. Till next time.

Andrew Love  

Thank you, bro. See you.

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